"...then, the final control of information of course is the government itself.The 30 year rule. Now there must be big debates going in Whitehall at the moment about Palestine, about Afghanistan, about possible war against Iraq and I won't know about it for 30 years.I'll be a 107 before I know what's going on now?..why can't we know now? and the reason is the government have a theory, all governments, nothing to do with this particular one, all governments have a theory that the national interest is the same as their own political interest, and it's not, and that is another particular aspect"