"People in debt become hopeless and hopeless people don't vote. So, they always say everyone must vote..but I think if the poor in Britain or in the United States turned out and voted for people who represented their interests there would be a real democratic revolution and so they don't want it to happen...I think there are two ways in which people are controlled. First of all, frighten people, and secondly demoralise them...an educated healthy and confident nation is harder to govern"